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	<title>Comments on: How the Guardian&#8217;s Ian Tomlinson G20 video changes the media landscape</title>
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		<title>By: How the public, citizen journalists and video activists are shaping the media landscape &#124; The Fumoir - A blog by Ivan Croxford</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the public, citizen journalists and video activists are shaping the media landscape &#124; The Fumoir - A blog by Ivan Croxford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the last few weeks have brought home to me just how much and how fast the media landscape is changing. The sad and troubling aftermath of the G20 demonstrations in London revealed the extent to which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Who wags who? &#171; Gary Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who wags who? &#171; Gary Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] G20 protests circulating around the internet. And in the midst of this, the Guardian showed how a mainstream media&#8217;s website spread this using social media [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] G20 protests circulating around the internet. And in the midst of this, the Guardian showed how a mainstream media&#8217;s website spread this using social media [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 20 years on &#124; qwghlm.co.uk</title>
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		<dc:creator>20 years on &#124; qwghlm.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de Menezes I doubt anyone will be convicted or even charge with culpability in his death. The nerdgasms about citizen journalism that helped reveal the truth only serve to make me feel like I am going to be let down even more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de Menezes I doubt anyone will be convicted or even charge with culpability in his death. The nerdgasms about citizen journalism that helped reveal the truth only serve to make me feel like I am going to be let down even more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does that fact that balaclava wearing men spent days beating mainly peaceful protesters in the centre of a European capital with impunity strike you as deeply disturbing? Dark portents indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does that fact that balaclava wearing men spent days beating mainly peaceful protesters in the centre of a European capital with impunity strike you as deeply disturbing? Dark portents indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog of Change &#187; The Met, Ian Tomlinson, the Guardian and the Internet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog of Change &#187; The Met, Ian Tomlinson, the Guardian and the Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Red has an interesting post on how The Guardian story has changed the media landscape very quickly. So what does this tell us? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Takkino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takkino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me this is a very good example of print journalism that has become more about analysis than the purveryor of breaking news. The Guardian made the right choice to use the Internet to satisfy the need for speed, and then to subsequently cover the story in paper with detailed analysis. 

With the speed at which information spreads on the Internet, daily newspapers working on paper need to create content that could still be read 1 day or even a week after the publication date. In this sense, the role expected from printed dailies seem to be converging with weekly publications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me this is a very good example of print journalism that has become more about analysis than the purveryor of breaking news. The Guardian made the right choice to use the Internet to satisfy the need for speed, and then to subsequently cover the story in paper with detailed analysis. </p>
<p>With the speed at which information spreads on the Internet, daily newspapers working on paper need to create content that could still be read 1 day or even a week after the publication date. In this sense, the role expected from printed dailies seem to be converging with weekly publications.</p>
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		<title>By: bmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didn&#039;t notice The Guardian attributing to source. 

not sure how the &#039;media landscape&#039; is changed in any fundamental way here. seems like more of the same &quot;exclusivity&quot; TV scoop nonsense. or worse, turned a - at best - mildly interesting if sad story into commodified badge of wanton corporate egotism, or at least that led by some amateur new media cheerleader.  

high quality content? it&#039;s (looks like) a cell phone video. very low quality.  

oh, you mean the story is high quality content? uh, no. grasping at straws here. the guardian put its eggs in the social media basket, looking for news, from the ground up, and found next to nothing. which was the real change. the real story of the g20 protests, a different view than that told by &quot;TV&quot; or the more trad print. the &quot;Guardian&#039;s Ian Tomlinson&quot; vid (even that claim is dubious) is to the Guardian what finding a half ounce bag of dope is to cops busting a so-called major grow op.    

the guardian&#039;s &quot;liberal stance&quot; helped it secure the story? the &quot;brand&quot; has been strengthened? 

that&#039;s just whack and only serves to diminish the already and ever-decreasing value of journo (investigation/storytelling and core competency, no?) to that of media whore, human misery parasite, and general eye-ball catcher. 

if i worked at the guardian i would be distancing myself from this sort of post facto social media engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didn&#8217;t notice The Guardian attributing to source. </p>
<p>not sure how the &#8216;media landscape&#8217; is changed in any fundamental way here. seems like more of the same &#8220;exclusivity&#8221; TV scoop nonsense. or worse, turned a &#8211; at best &#8211; mildly interesting if sad story into commodified badge of wanton corporate egotism, or at least that led by some amateur new media cheerleader.  </p>
<p>high quality content? it&#8217;s (looks like) a cell phone video. very low quality.  </p>
<p>oh, you mean the story is high quality content? uh, no. grasping at straws here. the guardian put its eggs in the social media basket, looking for news, from the ground up, and found next to nothing. which was the real change. the real story of the g20 protests, a different view than that told by &#8220;TV&#8221; or the more trad print. the &#8220;Guardian&#8217;s Ian Tomlinson&#8221; vid (even that claim is dubious) is to the Guardian what finding a half ounce bag of dope is to cops busting a so-called major grow op.    </p>
<p>the guardian&#8217;s &#8220;liberal stance&#8221; helped it secure the story? the &#8220;brand&#8221; has been strengthened? </p>
<p>that&#8217;s just whack and only serves to diminish the already and ever-decreasing value of journo (investigation/storytelling and core competency, no?) to that of media whore, human misery parasite, and general eye-ball catcher. </p>
<p>if i worked at the guardian i would be distancing myself from this sort of post facto social media engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would it have been better? Because then &#039;the man&#039; wouldn&#039;t have got the credit? I may well be very naive, but do The Guardian even pay for this sort of thing? 

I&#039;d assumed that the guy gave it to The Guardian as they are the paper that&#039;s beenmaking the biggest noise about this issue, rather shamefully considering the fact that he worked for the Standard, and wanted to make sure that it got into the dossier that is going to the police complaints board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would it have been better? Because then &#8216;the man&#8217; wouldn&#8217;t have got the credit? I may well be very naive, but do The Guardian even pay for this sort of thing? </p>
<p>I&#8217;d assumed that the guy gave it to The Guardian as they are the paper that&#8217;s beenmaking the biggest noise about this issue, rather shamefully considering the fact that he worked for the Standard, and wanted to make sure that it got into the dossier that is going to the police complaints board.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Merrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Merrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but &quot;news exclusives&quot; are as boring as Tesco versus Asda. Just my thought. It would&#039;ve been far better for the masses if this amateur footage had appeared on a social video site, but then I guess whoever shot the footage wouldn&#039;t have been paid then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but &#8220;news exclusives&#8221; are as boring as Tesco versus Asda. Just my thought. It would&#8217;ve been far better for the masses if this amateur footage had appeared on a social video site, but then I guess whoever shot the footage wouldn&#8217;t have been paid then.</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the million dollar question is - how much more money did the Guardian make?  Has the increase in its brand awareness sold any extra papers this morning?  Will they sell more in the long term?

Has all the traffic to their site given them a spike in advertising revenue?

I don&#039;t want to reduce an incredibly important political story to crude numbers - but if newspapers don&#039;t see a return on this new media journalism, will they abandon it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the million dollar question is &#8211; how much more money did the Guardian make?  Has the increase in its brand awareness sold any extra papers this morning?  Will they sell more in the long term?</p>
<p>Has all the traffic to their site given them a spike in advertising revenue?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to reduce an incredibly important political story to crude numbers &#8211; but if newspapers don&#8217;t see a return on this new media journalism, will they abandon it?</p>
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